Because who hasn't dreamed of owning a 28-guage revolver filled with buckshot?
I know I have.
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eon
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Where Taurus blew it with BATFE (other than making guns at all, that is) was coming up with a revolver (handgun) chambered solely for a shotgun cartridge. With BATFE, that is (if you'll excuse the expression) like "waving a red flag in front of a bull".
Besides, nobody in the U.S. uses 28 gauge any more. Don't believe me? Try finding ammo for one anywhere but a custom maker; even dies for it are a sometime thing. A better choice would have been a big-bore rifle round, like .45-70 or .444 Marlin, the latter being really nothing more than a stretched .44 Magnum revolver case. If they were determined to fire shot with a large enough load to make a pattern (and stay inside BATFE's regs), .50-70 would have been even better.
Somebody at Forjas Taurus wasn't thinking that day.
Use case would be what? Hunting extremely absent-minded ducks that let you get within ten yards and then fly up really slowly? That there is a sawn-off shotgun, methinks. Lack of porting in the barrel means that (b. you get to keep your hearing, and a.) you only get one shot before you have to re-acquire your target---admittedly, shooting shot helps make sure you don't need to shoot twice.
Realistic use-cases, I can see a regular pistol with snake shot in the chamber and a magazine full of ball or hollow-point. If only two-legged opponents are anticipated, skip the snake shot. And also, what good reason do you have for being out in this place?
Ironmistress: there you're wrong. Our projected Obamacare will cover this and more. For more people than ever, at lower cost, and all run by the Federal Government. As a matter of fact, Husseinovich himself will ride in on his magical polar bear, Snowflake, and make it all better by the power of the Royal Touch. And also, there will be cookies.
Oh dear oh dear, as the Chuckle Brothers might say. You don't want that monstrosity.
You want a revolver shotgun, David, go to the Russians. Take a look at the wonder that is the MTS-255 revolver shotgun. Also available in a 'tactical' flavour (folding stock and rails for TACTICOOL attachments).
whatever happened to the old LeMat "grape shot" revolvers - the ones that basically incorporated an underslung shotgun barrel? As Sergej says, if you're firing shot you generally only need one round, and with the LeMat you have the option of just using the .42 revolver ammo if you want precision (or the ability to still hear)
It reminds me of the old Colt Revolving Rifle of the Civil War era. Unlike it, a cartridge gun isn't going to chainfire and blow your off hand.. off. But if it is any little bit out of time, you're going to be in the ER having the docs pick lead slivers out of your wrist and forearm. (Ouch.)
Anon;
You can still get reproduction LeMats; Pedersoli in Italy makes them, IIRC. .40 cal revolver + 16-ga. shot barrel, all percussion muzzle-loading and thus "kosher" by ATF's rules.
Tom;
The .44 Mag. has been about No. 5 for decades, exceeded by (in chronological order) the .454 Casull, .500 Linebaugh, .500 S&W, and .480 Ruger. (The .357 Maximum and .375 Max. also outdid it, but they are back numbers like the AutoMags.) The .454, BTW, has been around since the mid-1960s, long before anyone ever heard of Inspector Callahan.
Wunderbear: revolvers loaded with loose powder. There are things one can do (I've never shot with loose powder) that will cause the fire from the active chamber to set off the charge in a neighboring chamber. Since only one chamber is actually aligned with the barrel, anything else going off becomes a minor bomb. I understand that a remedy is to pack grease into the front of the cylinder after loading it, to keep flying sparks from getting in. Or, you know, invent the brass cartridge.
(I read up, apparently the other main problem with large firearms with revolver-action is the hot propellant gases coming out the front of the cylinder, which could have problems if your offhand is holding the gun in front of the cylinder. Huh. The More You Know.)
Also, my reference to a revolver being "out of time" means the same thing as a car engine being so; the chamber being fired not being well aligned with the barrel.
Most revolvers will still fire if the chamber is out of line to either side but still close enough to dead center for the firing pin to indent the primer. This means that the bullet will enter the forcing cone of the barrel off-center, which usually shaves lead off the side of the bullet and spits it out the side along with hot gases. At considerably velocity, I might add.
On a handgun, this doesn't matter except that it adversely affects accuracy and velocity and can be a safety hazard at a range (which is why ranges have barriers between firing points). On a longarm, with your off hand supporting the forearm and barrel, there's a good chance the lead will end up buried in your forearm. Not good.
BTW, the Colt Revolving Rifle was so prone to both lead-spitting and chainfires that most Union units stuck with it were ordered by their officers to lower the hinged rammer and use it as a foregrip- which kept their off hands far enough below the cylinder that they might not get more than some nasty burns from a chainfire.
Eon, David, there is actually a carbine version of the Raging Judge's little brother; the Taurus/Rossi Circuit Judge. Looks nice, and apparently the front of the cylinder's shielded so maybe no burny hand? (Google images, I'm suspecting links as playing havoc)
Also, this is the second time I've had to make this comment. I am beginning to suspect foul plWE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EASTASIA
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Where Taurus blew it with BATFE (other than making guns at all, that is) was coming up with a revolver (handgun) chambered solely for a shotgun cartridge. With BATFE, that is (if you'll excuse the expression) like "waving a red flag in front of a bull".
Besides, nobody in the U.S. uses 28 gauge any more. Don't believe me? Try finding ammo for one anywhere but a custom maker; even dies for it are a sometime thing. A better choice would have been a big-bore rifle round, like .45-70 or .444 Marlin, the latter being really nothing more than a stretched .44 Magnum revolver case. If they were determined to fire shot with a large enough load to make a pattern (and stay inside BATFE's regs), .50-70 would have been even better.
Somebody at Forjas Taurus wasn't thinking that day.
cheers
eon
I thought it was Eddie Valiant's gun from
"Who Framed Roger Rabbit?"
Use case would be what? Hunting extremely absent-minded ducks that let you get within ten yards and then fly up really slowly? That there is a sawn-off shotgun, methinks. Lack of porting in the barrel means that (b. you get to keep your hearing, and a.) you only get one shot before you have to re-acquire your target---admittedly, shooting shot helps make sure you don't need to shoot twice.
Realistic use-cases, I can see a regular pistol with snake shot in the chamber and a magazine full of ball or hollow-point. If only two-legged opponents are anticipated, skip the snake shot. And also, what good reason do you have for being out in this place?
No health insurance whatsoever will cover wrists broken by the recoil of that contraption...
Ironmistress: there you're wrong. Our projected Obamacare will cover this and more. For more people than ever, at lower cost, and all run by the Federal Government. As a matter of fact, Husseinovich himself will ride in on his magical polar bear, Snowflake, and make it all better by the power of the Royal Touch. And also, there will be cookies.
Oh dear oh dear, as the Chuckle Brothers might say. You don't want that monstrosity.
You want a revolver shotgun, David, go to the Russians. Take a look at the wonder that is the MTS-255 revolver shotgun. Also available in a 'tactical' flavour (folding stock and rails for TACTICOOL attachments).
whatever happened to the old LeMat "grape shot" revolvers - the ones that basically incorporated an underslung shotgun barrel? As Sergej says, if you're firing shot you generally only need one round, and with the LeMat you have the option of just using the .42 revolver ammo if you want precision (or the ability to still hear)
So, does this make Dirty Harry's Smith & Wesson Magnum 44 the third most powerful handgun?
Wunderbear;
It reminds me of the old Colt Revolving Rifle of the Civil War era. Unlike it, a cartridge gun isn't going to chainfire and blow your off hand.. off. But if it is any little bit out of time, you're going to be in the ER having the docs pick lead slivers out of your wrist and forearm. (Ouch.)
Anon;
You can still get reproduction LeMats; Pedersoli in Italy makes them, IIRC. .40 cal revolver + 16-ga. shot barrel, all percussion muzzle-loading and thus "kosher" by ATF's rules.
Tom;
The .44 Mag. has been about No. 5 for decades, exceeded by (in chronological order) the .454 Casull, .500 Linebaugh, .500 S&W, and .480 Ruger. (The .357 Maximum and .375 Max. also outdid it, but they are back numbers like the AutoMags.) The .454, BTW, has been around since the mid-1960s, long before anyone ever heard of Inspector Callahan.
cheers to all
eon
eon: Ah, I see what you mean. I'm not too familiar with the mechanisms of revolvers, are misfires a common problem with them?
And yeah, it's like a shotgun version of the Cattleman Carbine, which is in itself a strangely elegant-looking gun.
Wunderbear: revolvers loaded with loose powder. There are things one can do (I've never shot with loose powder) that will cause the fire from the active chamber to set off the charge in a neighboring chamber. Since only one chamber is actually aligned with the barrel, anything else going off becomes a minor bomb. I understand that a remedy is to pack grease into the front of the cylinder after loading it, to keep flying sparks from getting in. Or, you know, invent the brass cartridge.
Sergej; that cartridge idea sounds the best.
(I read up, apparently the other main problem with large firearms with revolver-action is the hot propellant gases coming out the front of the cylinder, which could have problems if your offhand is holding the gun in front of the cylinder. Huh. The More You Know.)
Wunderbear;
Also, my reference to a revolver being "out of time" means the same thing as a car engine being so; the chamber being fired not being well aligned with the barrel.
Most revolvers will still fire if the chamber is out of line to either side but still close enough to dead center for the firing pin to indent the primer. This means that the bullet will enter the forcing cone of the barrel off-center, which usually shaves lead off the side of the bullet and spits it out the side along with hot gases. At considerably velocity, I might add.
On a handgun, this doesn't matter except that it adversely affects accuracy and velocity and can be a safety hazard at a range (which is why ranges have barriers between firing points). On a longarm, with your off hand supporting the forearm and barrel, there's a good chance the lead will end up buried in your forearm. Not good.
BTW, the Colt Revolving Rifle was so prone to both lead-spitting and chainfires that most Union units stuck with it were ordered by their officers to lower the hinged rammer and use it as a foregrip- which kept their off hands far enough below the cylinder that they might not get more than some nasty burns from a chainfire.
cheers
eon
Oh, also: just found out that Taurus do a carbine version of this revolver's smaller brother: the Taurus Circuit Judge. Looks a smart weapon.
...Man, I have got to visit America some time, if only to spend a bit of time on a range.
Eon, David, there is actually a carbine version of the Raging Judge's little brother; the Taurus/Rossi Circuit Judge. Looks nice, and apparently the front of the cylinder's shielded so maybe no burny hand? (Google images, I'm suspecting links as playing havoc)
Also, this is the second time I've had to make this comment. I am beginning to suspect foul plWE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EASTASIA
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